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Oh my god!
Check me out! You don't know who I am!
See ya later --
Mystion

"Whoops did I accidently type my name"? :)
I'm proud of you guys, though.. seriously.

Can TGF import custom plug-ins? If so then TGF should be able to use any plug-in that is made for C&C. If I can get code examples then the plug-in will be inteded for use with 32-bit C&C. If it works then I'll compile a 16-bit version.

Brian Cardarella

Brian: What's that plugin gonna be for? TGF or CNC(knp couldn't handle it.)
Ben-ohki

Ben-ohki:

You guys don't know him. His name is Jim Thatcher, he's an off-line friend of mine.

Christian:

I had a feeling that it would come down to having a bunch of file conversions just to get the files to play. That's too much work for the user. I'm going to see if I can find some code examples of an MP3 player and put together a plug-in for it.

Brian Cardarella

Hello readers of the wall,

I can see the wall is still alive, barely. There are so many flame wars and problems. Did you know some people blamed me for this when I was around, it may have been true, but even now that I'm gone, the wall is a shambals.
I haven't come to gloat or annoy, but just come to say hello and say I'm doing find pursuingmy own interests.
I am currently involved in a favourite game of mine (GTA) and the making of a website for it. I wish you all a happy new year (a bit late I know) and good luck with all your games.

I'll see you all around sometime,
Jonathan Hill

Spaceface is right.. A Back To Basics Is In Order. And with the return of loadsa k&p veterans and stuff , I hope that'll happen. No more unhoopiest lists please, they're not relevant.

Programming on Space Hopper and Harry the (disembodied) Hand is going nicely..

Good Grief...

Alex Carnegie

Hey !!!
I have a new address (like you care :D).
I just wanted to say, all people/children in this scene who
CAN NOT behave normal has to move his ass over to #kids
or whatever. You guys are ruining the scene.
There only a few people really busy producing good games.
Just like it was back in the early days !!!
So pleeeezee... I beg yall. Act like adults.
We come here to have fun not war !!!
So stop acting like kids or go play with duplo.

Da Spaceface c'est MAD >:(

Massol,
Jordi/Spaceface

BTW what da F**K is my bro doin on the hoopiest list ???
Number 5 ???
Please explain !!!

arthur moody
anyone out there got any hints for creating fractals in cnc

hi
anyone out there got some hints on how to create a fractal type
plasma in click and create with out using animated sprites.is there any way to create it by getting cnc to color pixels with a random color

Stop moaning !

Look, making graphics for games doesn't require any special skills, only training. To make music, you must have a talent, but all it takes is practice when it comes to graphics for games.

I couldn't either draw game-graphics when I started here - but yet I drew everything myself. I got practice, and now I've gotten better. That's the award. You don't have to be a good drawer by hand, allthough that is an asset.

To learn how to draw, try and "copy" of others people work by drawing more or less the same way. I do not mean you should use them in game, but if you do this, you get to learn how they're made and soon you can make them on your own.

Cheers,
Siggen

For all the people who couldn't download any of my games go here.

My new unfinished site...
http://members.xoom.com/a51p

This is for the guy who wanted BomberMan.

Thats great... AOLers are cool, unless they post garbage like that... anyway, the IRONGOAT page is officially up for good!

http://irongoat.hypermart.net
so far it only has my utilities and my ONLINE CD PLAYER (Not usefull, but it's really nice, and it would suggest looking at it[its only 25k and has awesome graphics])
The CD player is at:
http://irongoat.hypermart.net/cd.htm

I will have finished posting my new Silky's wannabee, called "Da' Zone". It will be awesome. Its gonna kiiiiick.

In Italian:

Pozzo! Schiaffeggiarlo con un pesce e denominarlo dumbo! Realmente lo ha fatto! Non lo ho inviato, sguardo al ceppo dei gues, esso provengo da AOL.
Nota: Sono in nessun modo responsabile di questo. Colpa non me.

Yea dell' OH, detto voi cosė a :P


-Pug

aolers rule except for the newbies

aolers rule except for the newbies

aolers rule except for the newbies

aolers rule except for the newbies

aolers rule except for the newbies

Only newbie AOLers are dumbasses. The people who own AOL who hate AOL are not stupid. And there are many dumb newbies who post messages so that's how you get mixed up.

Does anyone know where I can find some good sprite collections that will work with Knp (NOT SpriteLib)? I need some BAAAAD, I am not an artist, and I'm too lazy to even try to draw anyway..

Oh yeah, and visit my page
www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/8839/
not much there about KnP tho, I need another server, where I have more room than GeoCities to upload files, there's a bit about K-Ware (my KnP 'puter games co.), but I lost most games I made after a puter crash :P.. Check it out anyway :)

Just a quick message to JonM and whoever else was still whinging about IRC on here..

http://vreal.hypermart.net/klikirc.html

THIS is the place to whinge about IRC (on the comments board)

Craig

PS - huge re-design of the VReal pages soon..

All Internet KNP'ERS SUCK!!!!! You know, Stone Cold Steve Austin Deserves to Stun You all!!!! QUIT PICKING ON ME, OKAY!!!! BYE BYE!!!!































WHY THE HELL ARE YOU SCROLLING DOWN HERE FOR!!!!

Yeah, MP3 w/CNC, but how about w/TGF? Is it possible? Brian: Who was it that presented you with that challenge? I did post in the sound room about it a little while ago and got only one response.
-Ben-ohki

Is C&C2 gonna be able to open C&C files?

Well, The private group of knp'ers was not a real idea, but just a thought. Well anywayz, i got some kick @$$ ideas for my new page w/ cgi access.

A board much like the wall, but its like a story line for a game. See i start out, then visitors keep adding to my story untill its big enough for a game.

I will have a members only password page, but it wont have any great stuff, just assignments, questions, and other irongoat news.

Can anyone direct me to a freeware cgi program like this? I need one that has the newest post at the top of the page and one that has the last post at the bottom. thanks.

I'll post you when my all-new page is up...
for now visit "http://members.xoom.com/thedoc/irongoat/"

Re: MP3s with C&C.
YES, it IS possible.

Yianno figured out the way to do this and has it on his page at http://www.oamu.com/~xtreme.

You can indeed use WaveOut with the MCI device. There's only one catch - you have to play a special ACM wave file. ACM is the Microsoft Audio Compression Manager. The other part to that catch is you have to have the MPEG 1 layer 3 compression codec from Frauenhoffer installed. Oh yeah, you have to specially code the wav file too. You can convert from mp3 to this wav. CoolEdit will save as this type of wav, as well as the Frauenhoffer Mpeg Encoder (win95 version only), and the upcoming Goldwave 4.0. If you still want info on MP3, AMP, a freeware decoder with source, is available from ftp://ftp.rasip.fer.hr.

- Christian

By the way, if anyone needs space to store any of these games I listed in my last message, let me know. I have about 20 megs currently to store them.

All authors who stored there games at Toptown, and are now dead, please let me know what the correct address is now. These games include:

Ball of Defiance
Begone Revised
Bomberman Extra Levels (although Bomberman is dead also at Geocities)

Dark Power 2
Strike Back

I think that is all, but I could be wrong. If anyone knows of any working links to these games, please let me know. Thanks!

Rikus, if you want to try to get your data back, try http://www.drivesavers.com.
They have tips about how to get your data back, and if you still can't do it, I think they have some sort of a service where they'll try to get it back for you, but It'll cost some money.

MP3s with C&C?

A friend of mine presented me with a challenge: Create an MP3 player with Click & Create. (mostly because he doesn't want to pay for the programs out there) At first I thought that I could use the MCI device to play MP3s. Using the "waveaudio" function. But, that didn't work. I tried all of the other functions just incase and none of them worked either. So I've given up on the MCI device. I've been searcing the web for a tutorials on "MPEG Layer 3" but cannot find any. I'd appreciate some feedback on this. Has anyone else created an MP3 player with C&C? Does anyone have any tutorials, FAQs, etc... on MP3s?

I have a funny feeling that I'm going to have to write my own plug-in for this.

Brian Cardarella

...

Beware, children, the rage of a Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy fan...

That was neither big nor clever.

And with that, he disappeared into the night..

Alex "Unhoopy Frood" Carnegie

Everybody! It's that time again! The hoopiest/unhoopiest list!

Hoopiest
1)Don Collins
2)duvvit
3)MusicSK
4)David Willis
5)Zack Fowler
6)Silky

Unhoopiest
1)Puggy
2)Larry M...
3)Alx-C
4)Thunderhead

New section:
Nicknames for Puggy
1)Pussy
2)Piggy
3)Sluggy
4)Puffy (Unoriginal; just like Puff Daddy)

KH OUT
Don't think of this as a flame.

eeek you mean the game i sent got screwed because your computer went awol...aww damn

..

Kenneth : naw, it's the fact that you kept dropping hints about me being a "cyberracist" (not true...) because I made an AOL remark to Kevin Smets and I apologised about it. But you said allsortsa stuff about me "driving him off" and stuff...


Foo Fighters rock...

Alex Carnegie

*** Click&Create Gazetta update ***

Hi,

this week-end on c&c gazetta(http://www.mygale.org/~mdark):

- review of sim-fish 2
- Angelique Weterings's lesson: how to create a drawing program in C&C or TGF

and on the french page(http://www.mygale.org/~mdark/onet):

- review of sim-fish 2
- game to download: XFILES

Bye !
Gabriel

CHEE$EGOBLIN,

making a password system like that causes something called a *CATCH-22* to happen. For example:

The only way you'll know if anyone's made a good game is if they post about it, but they can't post about it 'cause you say they haven't made any good games!

If you construe this to be a flame:

Flame (flâm)
To send an abusive or personally insulting e-mail message or newsgroup posting.

KH OUT

it's me, JonM...just an quick note. If you want the view of something to change, it must be a 3D object. Gettit? Ok. I didn't want people thinking I was dumb.

see ya'll,
Jonathan Michals
(Jon M)

hi all,

I'm sorry to keep rambling on about all this (what did this start out with in the first place...?) but Puggy from now on is called Piggy. And from now on, Chris is called Cool. Gettit? Puggy seemed to get a WHACK out of it when he said his "friend" (friend? he has no friends. it was him) was going to trash...er, crash the wall, and destroy #k&p. But he said..."Who cares about Silky's? We still got the realm"
I have a log. So does Chris.
Right then and there I would've used my almighty power as an IRCop to "kill" him from the server, but I can't use my power for such evildoings...just kidding! Heh...I'm not an IRCop...yet...but nobody cares about that crap. We wanna talk about k&p, tgf, and Cnc!...I think.
Instead of rambling on and on about how to remedy this, I'll just sit here like the educated scholar...er, 6th grade youngsta' that I am.

see ya'll,
Jonathan Michals
(Jon M)

Pee Ess: This post was originally going to be k&p related, but I forgot. So I'll post it here.
* JonM takes a sip of his tea, and takes a bite of a crumpet
I'm sure everyone has made a moron of themselves, and gotten Alice3D...I'm glad I didn't pay...HAH! I'm also glad I didn't download. But I did order a free copy...the effects ruled!!!....but you couldn't do crap with it...that was the problem! So, if an Alice3D program will be integrated INTO Cnc 2 (I think that's kida what'll happen, but I think they'll make their own proggy to do it) you could combine awesome effects and 3D, with actual gameplay. Now, don't get me wrong...this won't let you make the next "Doom" or "Quake" style game...but maybe at the end of a level in yer' side-scrolling game, you could have the view swich to see the front of the character, and have them do a victory dance, or something. That's what was cool about alice 3D. You could make them move without them having true animations. What I mean was, you could type in
"DoInOrder
purpledinosaur.move.rleg.up.knee.jointbend.rleg.up"
and the purple dinosaur (Barney, it was) would move his leg up, bend his knee, and kick...upward. That actual code wouldn't do anything, it was just an example. Okay...I'm finished rambling. In case you forgot who's posting this...

see ya'll (again)
Jonathan Michals
(Jon M)

hi people I got something to say so please listen:
3 days back I got an e-mail from silkys saying this:
....
I'm so sorry Rikus, been having machine problems.

Good news and bad news. Got a new PC - bad news, I fear my
4 mth old 6 gig
drive is toast....guess where all the backlogged games where.

I've got one more person I want to look at it before I give it it's last
rights, but as of now...we're caught up....cause they is all on there ;(.

Actually I do have just two or three really recent ones, I'll pop them over
to you soon. If this isn't recoverable, we can post on the wall and let
folks know, but I didn't want to scream too soon.

Thanks for being patient with me, and for all your help.
....

So chris is not the only 1 that has machine problems.

Also I made a new #k&p channel. But there is something special with it. You see you can also access the channel in both netscape/ie4 and mirc. Wow:-)
If you want to access the channel on your browser just go to:
http://www.ap-zone.com/irc.htm
and if you want to access the channel on mirc then point your server to: irc.deltakonzept.de
port: 6667
(It does not work with the dalnet server, so thats why the channel is differend)

Check it out.
bye,

Rikus

I really think Silky should clean up the wall. anybody agree with me????

I really think Silky should clean up the wall.

Jeff Vance:

Vitalize first downloads the program into the cache. Then runs it. It does *not* run from the server, it runs locally on your computer. Which is too bad because if Vitalize did then the program would be more flexible in terms of server file/directory manipulation functions.

Brian Cardarella

We have two websites (we got sick of web4free)
http://irongoat.hypermart.net (up in a day or so)
and
http://members.xoom.com/thedoc/irongoat

-Fanks Alot

Who is Naxos? He sent me a mail, but i cant reply. Please tell me his email address.

WARNING LONG BUNK POST

The Beta:
I am (was) a beta tester for Corel Click & Create 2.
The product was looking very strong at the end of December when it was transfered to IMSI.
I have asked IMSI if I can release any information about C&C 2.
They have not responded............
I "might" put some info up soon at "http://flyin.com".
What will they do...sue me....my NDA was with Corel.......
I hope IMSI promotes the new version it is very good you will all love it.
To Beta testers: set your system clock back before 1998 to get the expired beta to work again.

NEWBIES:
Why do i keep seeing the newbie issue on the wall?
A password system would KILL THE WALL.
Would I qualify?
I visit here because some of the games and VERY talented programmers give my ideas for my projects with C&C.
Sure my games suck......I use C&C for presentations, training, ect..... for $$$ (only small $ so far) :)

HELP NEEDED....
I am looking for a way to fake "streaming" with the Vitalize plug-in. I have not invested a lot of time yet.., but calling a series of small vitalized applications works well the first time, but goes to fast the second time. I need to figure out how to find out if the user has the files in the cache or needs to download them...

sorry for the long post
Jeff

Just a reminder, if you have any concerns, information, suggestions or the like for #k&p, post them on the postboards at

http://vreal.hypermart.net/klikirc.html

Thanks,

Craig

Whoever said they didnt want to be flamed...
well, your post wasn't even flame material... I mean it was just constructive criticism, which i thought was part right..
Besides, weve been beyond flaming for a few days.

SILKY: We should have a counter that says (# of posts)posts since last flame or off topic post

(Even though the counter would never go beyond 5 or anything)

Anyone got any free CGI space?

Paul Howerton:

Exactly. My message wasn't intended to be anti-newbies. I was addressing the fact that if over population does set in then seperate interests groups. There might be one site totally dedicated to Vitalize and those who create nothing but Vitalize apps. There might be another site totally dedicated to adventure games. And another dedicated to sims. The melting pot (Silky's) will disappear and everyone will go their seperate ways.

Brian Cardarella

Hey Guys...

I have some bad news, Win 95 (yes, I finally got it) erased everything on my computer. This means all future games are cancelled and will probably never be released, because I had no backups anywhere. This means:

ExtroPlanet
Net-Edit 2
War-Tanks
and The Extacy 2

Will not be released.

Also, I'm very sad to announce (this is the one that hurts the most) Klik & Play Land was erased. Everything I put into it was erased. The graphics, HTML, archives, games, reviews, previews, etc. were all erased, and I had no back up of those either.

PSI will be closing for now, until I can get the computer back online. Right now, I only have Win 95 and Netscape installed (yes, my e-mail is gone too) so it may be a while before I start any more games, get on mIRC, or answer my mail. Right now I have to completely back up these basics that I have, so in case it crashes again, I can just restore it.

P.S.I. is officially closed (opening: unknown)

Goodbye for now.

Please....think positive! Think positive this way:

If Silky doesn't put c&c2 stuff up here, then maybe you won't be screwed.And about that password protect system: That is one stupid idea.First of all, it wouldn't work out right.And second,everyone's gonna feel unwelcome here and this site will become less popular.You make a website for people to see,right?And if you make a website and no one else is able to see it,well then,you'd get bored with it and just discontinue the service.And if someone is so concerned about the new guys, make your own site similar to silky's that is totally devoted to C&C2!

All flames must be e-mailed to me at: daddyd@iamerica.net . I'll feel really stupid if you flame me on the wall.Not only will it hurt me, but every one who comes to the wall!

-Paul Howerton

We shoul make a password protected page, only for people with talent or ones that have made some good games so far.

I guess since the only game that i published isnt finished... (its coming at silky's next update i hope).
I guess i wouldnt be part of it, so that sucks for me... :)
Well, its just a suggestion.

Hey there!

KoroBrown surprise release!!

Choppy the Porkchop 2 is out!!

Yes, this is a move that no one expected.

Choppy the Porkchop is well known for his poor graphics and addictive gameplay, and he's back!!

Go to www.angelfire.com/ca/pageocrap/choppy2.html to get it!

-Pots

CHEE$EGOBLIN:

When Klik & Play came out the shelf price was aobut $50 - $60. A good amount of money less than $90 - $100. But Maxis did a terrible job of promoting K&P. So not too many people bought it. While Click & Play did cost much more not too many more people bought it. Because the promotion was barely better than it was with Maxis. (the ads I did see for C&C barely told of what it did and were usually in the back mixed with all of the other $5 ads)

I don't think that it really matters how much the program costs. Lots of people are willing to buy a programming alternative such as Click & Create. However, not too many people know that it exists. Both Maxis and Corel, for some reason or another, believe that people will just magically know that K&P and C&C would exist. The main driving force behind their two companies are dealing with well known product names. Sim City has been around for the longest time. And just about every game that Maxis puts out has 'Sim' attached to it. Not doubt just so that it will make people think of Sim City and buy the game in the hope that it is similar. Corel has a whole line of well-known products. All they do every year is come out with new versions. You don't need much advertising for that.

With IMSI it is different. I cannot think of any well known IMSI products off the top of my head. I have an old IMSI mouse sitting downstairs but before I heard that they had picked up C&C2 that was the only time I've heard of them. So one would tend to believe that being a not-so-well known company they would advertise a little more. And this will probably be the case with C&C2.

Now, on to the results. The threat of too many people coming into the community is real. If IMSI does a good job with C&C2 then it over population at Silky's can very likely happen and people will begin to spawn their own sites. But, if IMSI does not advertise well and keeps with tradition then we shouldn't pick up too many newbies this time around. And, keeping with tradition, IMSI will drop the distribution rights to C&C2 to be picked up by someone else. The cycle will start again and this conversation will begin a new in two years.

Brian Cardarella

Flying F***!!!:(
IM LEAVING WEB4FREE. It sucks, and you can never access it... You'd have better luck with neocerf!
Im going to, either fortunecity, xoom, or find some small company to host me.

CHRISTIAN: Do you still use GCS? How do you program stuff for it? The closest ive ever gotten to making any NEW graphics is a new weapons file. I bet if they made a new GCS, in windows, that it would rock my world, babey. yeah, babey. Well, I really hope They make a CnC 3D at least, cause Alice 3D sorta' sucked ex-lax. If only Alice was compileable.

Well, thanks.. If you anyone has any free web hosting news, email me, or post. If anyone has any applications to become a member, either apply at my page which is at : www.web4free.com/irongoat/ , once it gets back on again, or email me a sample program.


THANKS (8(|) Homer says: I cant seem to find away to shake the evil blue leprachaun spirits out of my head.

***POSSIBLE OUTCOME#1***
Im afraid that Click n Create 2 may bring the end of our wonderful little community. You see, the MSRP is $99.99 US, and the copmany said they would sell it in many stores nationwide. This means that every person who has around 80 bucks can get it almost anywhere. This means that lots of asswipes with no knowledge will be able to come here and eventually turn the wall into total chaos and anarchy.
***POSSIBLE OUTCOME#2*** THE OPTIMISTIC ONE
Im glad that cnc2 is going to cost under 100 bucks, because many new games and guilds may be developed, and eventually Click and create will become as widespread and common as C++. Im not sure how it is in Australia and other major distribution countries, but in the US, none of these products are purchased easily. It takes months of searching. It may not become popular in the US, and that is actually what im hoping for.

Hey,
if your name is:
Rikus Kras
Newman (Jared/Peter)
David Willis
Christian Whiel (sorry if I screwed up your name)
Chris Perry
or ANYONE else who does not use a handle,
please, this is for a survey of a sort,
Tell me what object, living or non you would be represented as. Ie: Siggen would like to be a scandanavian bear.
Thanks,
just email it to me..
mystion@geocities.com

You guys all rule, thank you for visiting my page (really)

I got 11 hits since last night.

keep visiting
www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/8300/
IVE MADE A CHEATS PAGE, BUT I HAVENT GOTTEN ANY CHEATS YET. POST HERE FOR NOW BECAUSE MY EMAIL IS BROKEN.

hints page soon for all of you who want programming help.
some of the questions asked here provide good ideas for hints. Thanks.

-Newmano

I find this place to be getting really sloppy!!!
I will find another place to chat about Knp like #k&p.
At least untuil all the asshole flamers are gone!!!

y'know what's gonna be funny?
Someone's gonna say something like:
YOU KNOW WHO IS PUGGY
or something.
Thanks. I really get the impression that no one cares... anyway,
KNP'lly speaking - I have no school today.
Had to make it related to KNP.

Has anyone tested the Crystal Quest trailer? It will change name to Casep's Quest though... It's a running demo of Polar Games' first game, a great RPG taking place in the world of Sukhavel. Get it at http://polargames.oamu.com/cqtrail10.zip. It's kinda cool, Siggen made the gfx and I programmed it. Hey guys, give it a change :))

http://polargames.oamu.com/cqtrail10.zip
http://polargames.oamu.com/cqtrail10.zip

hmm still no update ...anyway is there a news page that has some info on clickncreate 2? will it be called that or what i know it will have mmx support an if im lucky half decent sprite editor.the one on gamesfactory is like seuck on the amiga.hoo..
err anyway..thats it for now

it = it's :P

it = it's :P

it = it's :P

it = it's :P

Hi .

CHEE$EGOBLIN : IS web4free up again ? it still down here ...
Can you guys tell me if you can enter web4free site ?

Thanx , electro.

Yeah, I've done some stuff in Pie 3D. It was actually very good at the time that it came out, Descent had just come out, back in the mid 90's. I found ways around most of its drawbacks though. The clipart sucked, so I did some of my own art. As-is, there was no save system, so I wrote my own. I've spent hours and hours studying the way P3D works, and know the inner-workings of the program inside out. Believe it or not, it's actually possible to make a save/load feature with BATCH FILES. It won't have an attractive menu system, though, unless you use some other program. Hmm, I think I'll make an addon that lets you use batch files even with a cool menu system.

Oh, and do you guys remember that game Twig that I released the demo of a while ago? Well, the final version's almost done. It's a LOT better. :D
Stay tuned.

- Christian "I can write a 3D engine in VB" Wiehl

Quick post.. to avoid confusion when I go back to melbourne (and thus change email addresses) my new address is:

craigj@vreal.hypermart.net

Thanks,

Craig

Quick post..

The #k&p homepage has been mirrored at:

http:///vreal.hypermart.net/klikirc.html

Go THERE to post all IRC related stuff, rather than here..

Thanks,

Craig

hey, would a puffin like space craft have character? I think soooooo... :]| Big smiiiiiiilllllleeee. PLEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAASEE?

:D
---puffin

WWW.WEB4FREE.COM IS BACK ON AGAIN!!!!!!!
Now you can visit my site at:
http://www.web4free.com/irongoat/

There are a few bugs in my site now, like the fact that my side bar doesnt work... Does anyone know of a good, easy, program to make sidebar buttons?

I also would like to say that PIE 3D GCS is an overall decent system. It does have its MANY MANY drawbacks, but if you would like to make simple games, without any plug-ins or frills, you can make some decent $H1T. <--- Not a curse. I actually belive, and correct me if I'm wrong, that Chris Weil made one of his games in 3D GCS. Well, I used to have it, and at the time, It made state-of-the art games, but now, because of the nasty-ass clip art, they are just something to experiment with. Besides, I DID SAY that it wasn't recommended for anyone other than excellent artists and programmers.

You can also find some decent FREE 3D ENGINES at any given search engine with several keyboards and a little time. I found an excellent site with hundreds of them, but they werent very good, most of them. Well, PLEASE VISIT MY SITE!

CHEE$EGOBLIN



Please go to my page.

wow, lots of people want starships, I guess, heh heh. I'll probably only take a few, the ships I think have most spoofiness and character and go well with the theme. :)

msk

Don't buy p3dgcs, It sucks I know I bought it!
To get all you need will cost $300.00!!!

Ummmm, Zack. I hate to break it to you, but that *WAS* a response to flmaing.

--Try using the sharp end of the knife--

no wonder I was having so much trouble with steak...

Oh shit. I have to draw a starship? You might as well give me a one-color 32x32 block.

Anyway, i would prefer it to be called the "dirty mo of destruction."
Give it this cool shield that you can fire (like the one in black reach, my game.)

WEB HITS GOING DOWN DOH!
www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/8300/

www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/8300/

www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/8300/

-Newmano

BTW, if anyone is confused, I also have another AOL screen name, "EnsErik@aol.com", with which I sign on most regularly, and did my last two postings with. The reason I tell you to mail Antanric is because Ens Erik is for an AOL game, and the screen name might change once in a while. Just clearing things up...

-Zack
antanric@aol.com , or
enserik@aol.com

"Try using the sharp end of the knife"

Alex, I do not dislike Puggy because of an AOL remark, (which you say he apologized for)I haven't always hated him, but gradually, I've learned to.

Grr. This is insane!

Alright, everyone says they want to stop the flaming. Hypocrites! If you TRULY want to stop the flaming, don't respond, don't even E-mail the person with a response, rude or otherwise. Just forget anyone insulted anyone else. This is a C&C, TGF, and K&P page, not a place to express anger! KNOCK IT OFF.

I saw a comment about AOLers not being cool... I'm on AOL. AOL doesn't stink, because it gives you the Web AND AOL stuff, like cool chat rooms, an easy downloading system and a ton of other stuff, with none of the expected techno jargon. So it has it's problems, it's not like I can get my own account at age 14, geez! Don't judge people by their online service!

BTW, don't take this to heart. I was a little miffed when I wrote this, and it doesn't apply to everybody. DON'T RESPOND IN FLAMES.

Now, to a nicer topic.

Rikus, that comment about everyone having their own tastes regarding Eggit and Dragon's Tail was a wise one. Undoubtedly, some people like Dragon's Tail more, and some like Eggit more. Keep in mind that it isn't a war to see whose game is better. I sincerely hope that you will continue to make great games, regardless of other people's opinions.

Regarding game progress, I've worked mostly on my FPPG for the last week or two, and have covered an incredible amount of ground. I'm hoping this will be my first big finished game. Current features of FPPG:
-Completely original C&C art and MIDI music
-Funky main menu screen
-MYST-like point-and-click interface
-Special things MYST doesn't have, like the ability to pick up items, get item descriptions, talk to people, and open and close things
-"Tip of the Day" upon exit provides you with useful information, like "Don't name your kid Stupid", and "Socks don't fit over ICBMs"
But there's more! E-mail me for more info.

THANK YOU SILKY for being so tolerant of us! :^)
-Zack T. Fowler
antanric@aol.com

"Werewolves don't fit in suitcases, so don't even think about it!"

Hi, its me again.
First and foremost,

----------Who runs the #knp page at web4free?----------
------The www server isnt running and its scaring me.---------- ------------Please tell me what happened to it-----------------

Who ever made the IMSI 3D objects comment, heres an analogy thype thing...
Remember when Alice 3D got introduced to this page, and it was causeing a stir? Well, the objects that the program uses are 3D objects. Its like, for something to be a 3D object, it has to have many different perspectives of view.. You know, you can see different angles from one file...

If you are looking for a decent 3D- only engine at a good price, I would try Pie in the Sky's "3D GCS" system... Its around 60 bucks, and you can find it if you do a web search. The only problem is that the actuall engine is a little outdated, and the gameplay is similar to Doom's. It also has bad clip-art, though you can order new sets of clipart through the company, along with many plug-ins, such as a better menu system and save system...

If you are a good artist, I would suggest it.

BIGPAW> IMSISOFT says that itīll support 3d objects. I donīt know what they mean with it. It would just be so great if it could do 3d. I think everybody should take a look at Pedros Day Out at Majestic Realm game library. Itīs a "3d" racing game with a 3d engine idea called E3D. Well the gameplay sucks but anyway..

...

Wow.. A flamewar.. One that's a hundred times as bad as the tiny scuffle in IRC I was in a while ago.. Wow.. And it's being perpetrated by the very people that had sooo much to say about the first one.. Hmm... I smells hypocricy...
She (Silky) says no IRC stuff and WOW!! People keep doing it. Kenneth Hughs, practice what you preach. No more hateful IRC insulting and banter on the wall.. Pug is cool..
There is no "cyber-racism" here.. It is an overreactionary concept thought up by an alarmist mind : a single AOL remark which was apologised for does not make someone evil. Get over it.

End The Hate.
Leave Puggy Alone.
Pug Is Cool.
Did Pug Do The Fake Silky Post? Dunno.
No More IRC "I have an interesting log of you" Crud On The Wall.
Practive Whatcha Preach.
No More Fighting.
Listen To Silky, She Owns Da Site.

here endeth the lesson.

bye.

Alex

HEY ALLLL!!!
I'm Back!!
errr...Somewhat..
Anyway, I am d/l the C&C Update patch thing, cause C&C is getting on my nerves. Also, I'm experimenting with "Elfnet" which is suppost to be some kind of internet thing for C&C, I want to make a little online game ^_^.
For those who don't know who I am, I am a mouse bent on taking over the world ^_^

waah when does the newest games thing update..is there anywhere,
else i can send my game so loads of people will play it and say how fantastic it is...well is there? anyway if the games page ever updates and my game actully got in its called secrets of solax its only a demo sofar but it has the best hand drawn scanned in graphics ever. in my opinion hee. its like zelda an so on...but much cooler.if anyone knows if theres another place i can send it
say so :}

MusicSK: I cannot draw a spaceship, but whatever you come up with is fine. If you've ever played HYPERNOVA or Zodiac by Havoc, it'll give you an idea on how my ship would like to be. I'll try, tho.


===---=== None Related IRC Crap ===---===

Oh by the way, Pug: I found a log with you rambling about free speech and how there was no limits to free speech as guarenteed by the First Amendment.

Here's the UNALTERED Amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Notice it say "CONGRESS" and no "LAWS".

So, I am afraid your arguement had a few holes in it.

Hi people, working on a cool 3d racing game like those 80's ones by SEGA like Outrun and Hangon. Listening to Korn right now, my mind is suposedly being demented right now, or so they say...

Hello,

Bryon Vandiver:
I'm the guy you're looking for, and I was sure to include your name both in the game credits (event editor comments) in all 3 demos, and in the included engine.txt file. You can download the 3 demos and text file from the Majestic Realm via the URL of http://sadwick.simplenet.com/majestic/games.hts?+new

Unfortunately you won't really be able to see the improvements and changes in coding that I made unless you have TGF or CnC, or if you find someone with both KnP and CnC/TGF that is willing to copy the code one event at a time :P

~Elf

By the way.. I am in no way intending to dethrone "the wall" in anyway, by my last comment... i was just thinking about a utopian knp community.

My "Project:Irongoat" page is up!
The url is http://www.web4free.com/irongoat/
So far it only has:

- Screen shots from the following games: SimPimp, Lone Crag, which is our main product.
- Application Page, where you can apply to become a member via form.
- Mail Page. (Self Explanatory)
- Front Page, which just has a logo and a link script.

My friend who makes Visual Basic 4 games and 3D graphics is merging with us. I basically just make some of the graphics, but no coding, and he does the rest.

One last note: We were going to make a message wall, but since web4free doesnt allow cgi, i will either have to use another server(can you help me out, Chris W?), or wait for Rampage/Neocerf to reply :Þ

P.P.S. I think there should be one awesome message board linked from all of the knp pages, for all knp/tgf/cnc'ers to use. That would be cool. uh huh huh huh.

Does anybody know if C&C 2 will be able to do 3d stuff?

I'm thinking of starting a little collaboration of Rpg writting talent myself, no sure yet.
Nothing really happening at Rpg extreme.

hey, sk, ehh, yeah, I'll take one a those space ships =D

How about one that looks like a puffin? :)

Whatever the case, call it, "The Puffin"

thanx!

Msk, sure, make a starhip for me! I don't care what it has, as long as there is a "quasar 3002" radar-laser-heat-seeking-missle-ray-gun on board! :D

Oops! Forgot you can't use those brackets... look like HTML tags.

What was supposed to be there was:

"The two go together like the Atlanta Falcons and the Super Bowl!!"

-Justin

Howdy all. First of, on THIS comment:

>

Two words in response to that:

TAMPA BAY.

OK, now that I've defended my team, I have some KNP info for y'all. An SR update actually.

SHADOW REIGN (SR) will have a web site up soon that will feature screen shots, script scraps, and eventually some Vitalization. I'll keep you posted. Oh, and if you want to help out on this project, I guess you can eMail me. We don't really NEED anyone, but extra help is always appreciated.

And for the guy making the space game (msk, was it?)...

I'd love to have a ship. You willing, of course. The name: Behemoth. Its special weapon: Shadow Rain, a shower of invisible bullets.

That's about it. Oh, and thanks to everyone who makes this place still worth coming to.

- Justin Eight

I want a starship. Email me samkim OH THATS RIGHT MY EMAIL ACCOUNT IS FUCKING BROken
. Later

-newmano

I want a starship. Email me samkim OH THATS RIGHT MY EMAIL ACCOUNT IS FUCKING BROken
. Later

-newmano

Ok, I don't want to sound callis, but I'm the guy that wrote
the raycast demo (on IRC: Ikiru or Geiger), and I havn't checked
it out yet, but someone improved apond my design (I supose) and
released it as v2.0, (sean poling or something), if you are this
party, please give me credit on the site, and in the program if
it is not there... thanks!

Man....you all actually believed someone was gonna screw up the wall?OH MAN!Pug was just doing that to scare you all.It was the wrong thing to do, but, you guy's responses were pretty funny.Plus,remember what I said about not caring about what happens on IRC? If something were to happen, we'd get it back,probably!And stop saying,"This community is falling apart" Gee,I wonder why.......it wouldn't be that way IF YOU DIDN'T THINK THAT WAY!GAH!The nerve of some people.

Anyways,I've found new interests computer and non-computer related, so I'm probably gonna do the wall and knp-thang sparingly.The reason is this:

Blackout's Box. http://www.blackout.com/ <-- Phone Cranks(Yes,Cranks,same thing as prank) but are very long pranks.And aren't your stupid little, "Is your refridgerator running" pranks,and not yo' Jerky Boys pranks either.Ever heard of Roy Mercer?Like that only better.Really talented guy does really good voices.

Onlive Traveler.A 3d chat program where you talk to other people through the microphone while walking around a virtual realm.

And one of my main interests, making comedic sketches with a Mic and a tape recorder.And recording my guitar playing,too.

Sorry about the NEARLY non-knp post,but to make up for it,I'll say a little ditty about knp:

If you put your mind to it, you can(Eh...Nike), make anything, or if not, at least fake or simulate, most things in knp.Just look at all the new techniques that keep popping up!Wow.

G-r-a-n-d-p-a spells relief!!! weeeeeeeeeeeeee!
My page is fixed and all links to games now work!!!!
http://www.fortunecity.com/underworld/fifa/135/avatar.htm
SV2 is there!!!

See? I told you. Pussy, er, I mean Puggy can't and won't do anything.

--

On a slightly CnC, KnP, TGF related topic:

Um... well

I'm helping MusicSk on a spacefighting game. There will be a good side and a dark side. The dark side, or course, will have the Virtual Racist himself, Piggy! My ship, the Skylark will have

Ion Torpedoes
and
Buckminsterfullerene Crash Pods (Buckminsterfullerene is C60, a form of carbon with a much higher tensile [pliable] strength than diamonds. The pods "kamikaze" with other ships!)


K Bye now!
KH OUT

Using the corel CnC plugin thing would it be possible to creat a 3d engine? Well there something to think about for all the programmers out there.

Oopsie, I didn't read Craig's message. From now on, I'm postin' K&P-related only. Unless someone starts posting 'msk sucks' messages. :o)

By the way, I'm thinking about making a type of game like Star Control, that is, where both players choose from about 8 spaceships with different weapons and special powers, as well as different crew (life), speed, and fuel, and duke it out on a starfield... only with all the K&P'rs (including AOL'rs :o)) having their own starships. Sooo.... anyone want to pilot a starship? :D

msk

Well, Pug and all the other assorted Jeremiahs have been going on about destroying #K&P, and Silky's, and all those other things, since time immemorial. (Don't believe me? The topic in #knp was 'Henceforth... a couple of hours... #K&P... will fall...' for about, oh, a year.) Why believe them now?

Stacy: Well, I know how to say "Male chauvinist pig" (don't ask, hehe) and "Hello" in Irish... I'll e-mail you sometime.

msk

Cheese$Goblin, read the message above me! People do not come here to read about IRC!!! Usually when people dislike someone it's for a reason. You should probably know what it is.

I'm not sure, but do you guys hate me?
Everytime I go on irc as "IronGoat", everybody instantaneously goes off... is this because you hate me, or just some kind of technicall error, or a coincidence?

Well, IronGoat is going slowly... Nobody is really helping, and i still am trying to learn to use Bryce2 without having to rip my hair out.

Does anyone know of any free webservers that allow cgi scripts?

I think you're mistaken, Avatar. www.maxis.com stopped selling klik and play last year, but i can get you a deal on CnC:
I just found out that my school can buy CnC for 100$ so if you want it you got it... I know you might not trust me(even though you should), so incase you don't, you can also get all three of the at Europress.co.uk

Lost Dragon,
Avatar is here to help you!
all three are good, but buget wise go with klik&Play
the address is www.maxis.com

HAH!!! Pug and friends! The two go together like the Atlanta Falcons and the Super Bowl!!! It just isn't gonna happen. If the wall is hacked, god forbid whats gonna happen to the bastards who do it. Believe me, there are a lot of people on this wall who are capable of screwing these guys over real bad...

Hi people,
Why do you people keep on flaming? I could go on and on about this and mess up the wall..but I wont. I rather have 1 post about k&p,c&c or tgf ten 10 flaming posts.

Locked 7 is coming a long great. They say c&c 2 will be cheaper then part 1. Cool:-)

Bye,

Rikus

Hello..

I am new to this. I can't even find a copy of K&P, C&C, or
TGF nor do I understand what the differences are between
them (is one better than the other one or what?) Can
somebody *please* give me a nudge in the right direction?
Please? If you could e-mail me, that'd be terrific..

Guys, you're all missing the point. It's not the flooding thats bad, Pug said he is going to HACK his way in and screw around with it. Maybe the log wasn't clear enough, but thats what pug said. Plus, they're going to hack into #k&p. Not flood, hack.

Ok, this sounds like it is NOT ClickandCreate related, but it really is. Does anyone speak Irish???? I need a few phrases for my game, Eorna Gaelcah 2, which has little snippets of Irish in it, here and there. So, look it is Click and Create related. Please e-mail me if you speak it! Thank you!
Stacy =)

Do to some very encouraging mail, from Kevin, I'll will continue, writtig rpgs, even though SoV is one Prequel away from being completed. I will make more fun Rpgs.

To alieviate confusion.
Vrba is a Czech last name
I am 1/2 Cezh on my fathers side
Quite common there like Smith or Jones is here
it is prenounced
VR-BA
Hope this answers your questions.

Hey Andrew you made a battle system? Cool, could yah send it to me? Oh if your wondering what happened to my page I've tooken it down, I'm building a new one. Don't worry about the wall being flooded. This info came from one of the most unreliabe source on the internet, i.e. Pug. The Portuguess was pretty convencing though. Remember that Pug has no friends, so what friends would he have to flood the wall? His imagination! He's always tring to get us going if you've noticed.

Just a quick reminder.. (as well as the one at the TOP OF THE PAGE)

From Silky: Folks, I've just about had it. People do not come here to read about IRC, AOL or any of the other recent flamebait topics. If this isn't used for K&P/C&C/TGF issues, it is not needed. Please, keep it on topic, or do not post.

Thankyou, post about interesting stuff, avoid flamebait lamers, come to #k&p and just make some games so we HAVE something to talk about.. :o)

Craig

listen people, this AOL homo won't bomb this place, cause if he does silky will just erase it and everything will be fine. And david, to defend #K&P you need to do nothing. IRC has operators that will kline, so don't have a hernia if some freak comes and does something to the chan (yeah, right, like AOLers know anything)

In K&P related stuff, I am makin a game that like my other trillion, won't be finished, but it is an RPG, but I did manage to get a fully working combat system that functions almost identical to the one on FF7. it is cool.

I'll see ya later

(oh, and no offense to the COOL AOLers like umm... well.. there are none.)

I realize that my message is (yes, ok, fine) doing what I'm telling you not to do. But it is difforent in the sense that it will (hopefully) be the last one. The others just say stuff like "Is it true that silky's is closing?", etc. Now just drop this! You just did what I told you not to do yourself! :D
-puffin

Hmm, seems that the message from silky is above my own, Just so it's not anoying I'm posting this so it'll be here instead.

---Puffin

Puffin, look at your message, and look what you put in it. It's uh... kinda... doing what you are telling us not to do...

Sorry, but the entire don't post above this line bit didn't work. You're all saying silky's is dying. Guess what? It wouldn't be if it weren't for the people who keep say it's dying. We were doing well for a while, then people just kept bringing up "well, I don't think there should be all this flaming here" when there hadn't been in the first place for a few days. Look, PLEASE STOP POSTING ABOUT ANYTHING UN K&P/TGF/C&C RELATED! Almost everything now people are complaining about is all the trash on the site. Guess what? If you complain on the wall, you make trash. It's like enviornmentalists starting a campaign to save the whales and the campaign itself is more destructive to the enviornment that it is helpfull. Put simply : JUST SHUT UP!!!

Im realatively new to the CnC community. Is it really falling apart?

I can verify it, Christian, it was correct.

-Pug

We will not go quietly into the night, we will not go down without a fight! The wall will go on! It will survive!

When you're messing with the wall, you're messing with the KNP community. There are lots of people in it, and if you mess with the wall there will be a lot of pissed people out there. Including me. And even though some say that the community is "falling apart" or "breaking up", most of us will be on the same side this time. (Isn't there a speech from Independence Day that sounds like this?) I'll do whatever I can to try and defend the wall.
SO DON'T MESS WITH IT!

And if something DOES happen to it, I put the blame on whoever did it... and puggy, for not talking his "friend" out of it. Isn't it a crime or something if you don't try to stop a crime when you know it's gonna happen? Well, whatever happens, I'm on the good guy's side.

Enough of this meaningless rambling post.
Bye,

Brad

What is neocerf's plan/purpose?

Pug, be careful if you mess with the wall. You'll know why after it happens...

Sorry, Santa... I knew it was you... I just typed cheesegoblin by accident. I'll work on the CCA a little, and see if I can fix it up for ya. :)

Allrighty pug... let's see how I am on my portuguese... it's been a while, I'm proficient in spanish, german, portuguese, and a little french, but it's been years since I've tried the latter two.
-----
First post:
"Today is the wall's D-Day. The Omega, a very stupid AOLer will bring the end. There is no escape. Have a nice last day."

Second post:
"Oh yeah, don't bother banning me, it's pointless.
And if any #k&p ops are reading this, ban ken hughes, he was being very vulgar."
-----
Hmmm. Again, my Portuguese is really rusty, so please excuse the translations if they're not accurate. Anybody else here speak Portuguese that can verify?

Oh and Silky, don't worry, the second I notice the wall is flooded, I can check the guestlog, and get this guy's AOL IP. From there, it can be traced back to his screen name by AOL, since it's also timestamped. Once we get his screen name, we get all his info, and criminal charges can be brought forth, if this guy does in fact flood the wall.

Take care all,
Christian

I understand the comparison, but what are they getting from this? Is there a hidden clause in the contract?

Sorry about the triple post.

O Oh sim, não se incomoda proibir-me, ele é futile.

E, se # o ops're do k&p que lę este, proibisse por favor Ken Huges, estava sendo COMPLETAMENTE vulgar!

-Pug

Ummm......
Read this:

"Terry" signed up for an ISP that promised free access forever for only $10.00. "Terry" never got the access.

And this:
"Jimmy" sent money to "Simplindxas Corp." because they said that he would get DIRT CHEAP SOFTWARE. HE visited their web site and it said that the way they can give it to it's customers cheaper is because they BUY IT WHOLESALE. HA!!! HA HA HA HA HA!!!. It also said that software in stores such as CompUSA and Egghead software cost so much because they prices are increased OVER 100% when they are really increased a fraction of that amount. Jim didn't know that so he thought "Wow!". After about a month, "Jimmy" still hadn't gotten anything, but his check had been cashed. So, he called the company and they said that they got there software from "Centraluxind Software ladada". So, he called them and they said that they DO NOT do business with "Simplindxas Corp.".


"Jimmy" and "Terry" both lost there money. This neocerf thing has nothing to do with money, but I just put these here to think about. And, IF IT SEEMS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE, IT PROBABLY IS.

Ummm......
Read this:

"Terry" signed up for an ISP that promised free access forever for only $10.00. "Terry" never got the access.

And this:
"Jimmy" sent money to "Simplindxas Corp." because they said that he would get DIRT CHEAP SOFTWARE. HE visited their web site and it said that the way they can give it to it's customers cheaper is because they BUY IT WHOLESALE. HA!!! HA HA HA HA HA!!!. It also said that software in stores such as CompUSA and Egghead software cost so much because they prices are increased OVER 100% when they are really increased a fraction of that amount. Jim didn't know that so he thought "Wow!". After about a month, "Jimmy" still hadn't gotten anything, but his check had been cashed. So, he called the company and they said that they got there software from "Centraluxind Software ladada". So, he called them and they said that they DO NOT do business with "Simplindxas Corp.".


"Jimmy" and "Terry" both lost there money. This neocerf thing has nothing to do with money, but I just put these here to think about. And, IF IT SEEMS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE, IT PROBABLY IS.

Ummm......
Read this:

"Terry" signed up for an ISP that promised free access forever for only $10.00. "Terry" never got the access.

And this:
"Jimmy" sent money to "Simplindxas Corp." because they said that he would get DIRT CHEAP SOFTWARE. HE visited their web site and it said that the way they can give it to it's customers cheaper is because they BUY IT WHOLESALE. HA!!! HA HA HA HA HA!!!. It also said that software in stores such as CompUSA and Egghead software cost so much because they prices are increased OVER 100% when they are really increased a fraction of that amount. Jim didn't know that so he thought "Wow!". After about a month, "Jimmy" still hadn't gotten anything, but his check had been cashed. So, he called the company and they said that they got there software from "Centraluxind Software ladada". So, he called them and they said that they DO NOT do business with "Simplindxas Corp.".


"Jimmy" and "Terry" both lost there money. This neocerf thing has nothing to do with money, but I just put these here to think about. And, IF IT SEEMS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE, IT PROBABLY IS.

Okay, now try to translate gibberish:
asdlkfjalskdjfalskdjfa;lskdjflasdjfa;lsdkjflasdfkdfgjslkfjg;dfkg
=
"Not going to happen, but if it does, we can depend on Silky to help us out"

NOTE: A Hacker is a dedicted programmer, a CRACKER is a person who trys to mess up other's computers.

Also, me? No. My friends? Perhaps.

Let's see how ya do with Portuguese:

Hoje é o D-Day para a parede, o Omega. Um AOLer extremly stupid será a extremidade. Não haverá nenhum escape, beware. Tenha um último dia
agradável:)

- Pug

If defending the board or #knp, I know who can do it:
I think his address is: deadchan@cloud9.com, but im not sure...
Tell him that DoctaKento asked to, if that is the correct address

Even though I'm a proud supporter of AOL, THE TERM "AOL HACKER" IS AN OXYMORON.

(Ill stay on topic from now on)

Even though I'm a proud supporter of AOL, THE TERM "AOL HACKER" IS AN OXYMORON.

(Ill stay on topic from now on)

Attention People: Puggy is planning to crash the wall with some of his "AOL" buddies. Here is a log from #k&p

-----------------------------------------------------------------

puggy> Say 'goodbye' to the wall, dears
Chris-PSI> why?
* Raptor-Chan-^O^ has set an [IGNORE] command on [puggy]
JonM> ................................................
JonM> ATTENTION!
puggy> my friend from AOL's gonna flood it today :)
Chris-PSI> heh
JonM> what?///
puggy> He's not too bright!
JonM> why?
JonM> no wall??
JonM> grrrr
JonM> did you put him up to it?
puggy> no
Chris-PSI> no more wall?????
Chris-PSI> ?!?!?!!?
puggy> But, there's still the Majestic Realm!
Chris-PSI> NO!
Chris-PSI> We need the wall!
puggy> sadwick.simplenet.com/majestic!
puggy> And now that Kev's gone, I basicly control the MR! :D
|HCVANG|> the walls going???
puggy> And some AOL Hackers're gona destroy this place too! :D
puggy> Yep, and #k&p

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This is only part of the log. Silky: PLEASE do not delete the wall after this happens! And DavidWillis: Somehow you need to figure out how to defend #k&p....

Thankyou.

Hey. I know this is way of the subject, but:
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It doesnt really matter, cause sword of valor 1 kicked ass, and im looking forward to getting both of his new games.

If the maker of SoV reads this, please email me...
Could you collaborate with me, by making sprites for my RPG?

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I think im gonna use the FF fight engine from the Realm for my game.

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COULD YOU GUYS ELABORATE ON NEOCERF? YOU WERE BEING KINDA TRITE.

Andy Vrba...
SoV links don't work!!!
I WANNA PLAY!!!!
Btw, how do your pronounce your last name?

How can neocerf be a hoax?? Don't crash their page; all you have to do is go there, save the page, and file a law suit if it IS a hoax.. Pug, I found out about it b4 you anyhoo.. ask Christian.. I told him.. nya na.
Bye ghouls and guys.
erk..
it's not Haloween yet, is it??

My bad...
You guys are right, and believe it or not, I've been using dos screen grabbers for a while, and it slipped my mind.

COULD YOU GUYS TELL ME MORE ABOUT THE NEOCERF HOAX?

Thanks a lot

Sounds like some one is being just a bit conceeded, saying that the k&p rpgs are future fantasy style.
Anyway Sword of Valor legend is complete visit my page later today and download it.
http://www.fortunecity.com/underworld/fifa/135/avatar.htm

Have any Bubble Bobble / Snow Brothers type games been made with KnP, TGF or CnC ?

I don't understand the whole object group thing in CnC.
If I set a condition that happens to an object of a group, and then apply actions to that group, all the objects belonging to a group are affected! But I don't want that. What I want is for the action to only be applied to the single object in the group which has met the condition. Does that make sense? Can someone better explain how to get it to work the way I want to?

Ehh, Cristian, It was me NOT cheesegoblin who made the demo...

But it don't look good. As I said it only becomes dot's...


Can you fix that ??

Well, everyone's been talking about Role Playing games (however you classify it), Future Fantasy style games, etc etc etc..

Anyway.. here's a name (and a game to look out for)

Naimistath..

Future Fantasy with better graphics and an equally engaging story? It may very well be..

**grin**

Craig

gee when does the games page update on this thing..i hope my game gets on..it took me ages to send it to you silky..err anyways i just gotta brag that when its finished its gonna be huge.. and have the best orignal graphics ever hahaha.um yeh

Cheese Goblin, I've bee using DOS screen capture programs for years!

Here's some info for everybody...

"multitasking" is a concept that simply means - performing more than on task a a time. The PC isn't technically a multitasking computer. When Windows is performing "multitasking", it's just running your programs in successive "frames" (one after another) within a loop.

It just happens so fast, that it seems like all of your programs are running at the same time.

This is the way all programs work.

In fact, in the same sense that Windows works, games are "multitasking" programs. Sure, it seems like many things are happening at once in a game, but actually, they're not.

Here's another interesting concept: Windows 3.X is a native DOS program, yet it's a "multitasking" environment.

Therefore, windows is no more a multitasking environment than DOS is.

DOS can multitask. Screen Capture programs for DOS are TRS (Terminate Stay Resident)programs. They are executed and then stay resident in memory (just like Windows programs)while you run other programs.

Hardware drivers that are loaded up from your computer's autoexec.bat during start-up also work that way!!!

So what does all of this have to do with C&C, K&P, and TGF?

I'm sure you will be able to figure that out whenever you are working in the Event Editor!!!

Yeah, there are many dos screen capture programs out there... I actually wrote one that captured to PCX files a few years ago, back when DOS was popular... Screen Thief is one of the best, but if it's not working, for your situation I'd recommend getting an emulator that supports screen capture internally.

Oh Cheesegoblin, I checked out your racing thing, the one problem that I found is that it stops making tracks after a while because you run out of active objects, instead of leaving the objects there for a while, paste them into the background - that way, the tracks will be permanent, and you won't have active object problems.

- Christian

Chesse$Goblin, you are so wrong. There are many DOS screen rippers. What it does is load the program into memory, a TSR. Working on a racing engine like the one from those 80's SEGA games like Outrun and Hangon. Got some great ideas for it.

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My page is up and fully functional!
http://www.fortunecity.com/underworld/fifa/135/avatar.htm
come and download k&p games until your butts fall off!
but you have to pick them up when you are done!
I hate picking up other peoples butts!!!
anyway I need someone to email me a menu system like in FF for Klik&Play!
Oh yeah, and Sword of Valor Legend is now 65% complete!!!!
I'm also starting of Sword of Valor 4 "prophecy", It shows what happened before SV1.

Neocerf is a hoax. I think one of my friends is going to try to crash their server. Someone at the realm message boards made a really cool Final Fantasy battle engine. Go there and email him for it.

Bye,

Brad

The NeoCerf web host sounds great, but a little on the scammish side.

This is for whoever asked for a dos screenshot program...
Dos is a SINGLE TASK ENVIRONMENT! It isn't possible.
If you want one for Win 3.1, try screen ripper, (I forgot the URL).

My suggestion would be, just do what THE MAN wants, and pay your 90 bucks for Win 95, or download it somewhere (not recommended).

Hey guys

Can someone tell me of a screen-capturing program for ***DOS***?? I have already tried Printscreen, didn't work. And since I'm not running Win 95, I can't run the prog in windows and use PSP. I have tried 1 screencapture utility called Screentheif, but it won't work. I am trying to get some screenshots of Gameboy roms. I am using Virtual Gameboy 0.46 I think.

Thanks!!

matins, it's an AOLer, I TOLD silky to ban them...

-Pug
Anyone here ever heard of the great force known as KAOD?

"When the flames keep pouring in, you don't care how...look at all the puggy's who're gona have a good time now..."

Hello guys, i've finished my homepage. O.K. you will not be interested in that, but I found a way to make a Command and Conquer movement in Klik and Play. Just download it from my page and make something good of it.
Please send me your games made with it!!!

homepage: http://home.wxs.nl/~visse085/Jasper.html
(watch the capital in Jasper!)

Christian Whiel:

I've done that thingy with the race stuff, but cnc is to slow

here is a demo of what i mean :

http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/8683/race.zip


- Santa

A trailer of Crystal Quest is uploaded :

http://polargames.oamu.com/cqtrail10.zip

yo' mom
- Sunday, January 11, 1998 at 15:33:57 (CST)

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Anyone knows who this is?

Martins

Sorry about the YELLING. I didn't know that that was rude. Umm, if anyone tried to reach me recently and got an erroe, i fixed the problem

Pug, I'm curious about something? What OS do you use? Because K&P was only made for Windows platforms oh yah the Mac to. Humm?

It's hard to believe how dumb some people are. This Aol bashing thing has been done for like a week now and some idiot who can't spell leaves a message that says you are all loser, we can make better game then all of you. Well before you make better game then all of us you better learn how to spell.

Pug, its gone to far. When you start using Silky's name for your posts something has to be done and of course it's you cuz why whould you put a silky then a dot for the e-mail address. Pug you are so worthless it's not even funny. With your 8 year old annticts and know it all attitude. Why do you come here? You don't contribute anything yet you post and post and post about nothing. Do you have anything better to do. I guess not, when you don't have any friends I guess there is always a lot of extra time on your hands huh? Be careful in life Pug cuz one day your going to screw with someone who is going to rip your balls out and shove them down your throat.

Pugggg... ok, it was a _little_ funny the first time, but that last post was just plain puerile... and we know it's you, both the guestlog and the Windows-bashing kinda give it away.

msk

Pug, you are officially fired from PSI.

Oh yeah, and pug, quit posting false messages as Silky! We can tell it's you, unless guestlog.html is wrong. But I'd rather believe it than you! Take a look yourself!
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Pug
- Sunday, January 11, 1998 at 15:44:26 (CST)

Long filenames? You need to be running a 32bit OS (like Linux)

-Pug

*UN-KNP-RELATED-POST*

Uh, some of you *seem* to know an awful lot about computers, so can anyone tell me how to get my CD-ROM drive to read long filenames?

And I don't see why people hate AOLers. It's like C++ programmers bashing KNPers. Just because they are using something easier. I acually tried AOL for a 15-hour-trial period, and immediately cancelled when I got the long distance bill. THEN I got the internet connection. It was cheaper, and I liked it a lot better. Some people just have different tastes.
Another thing: any AOLers bashing AOL bashers are just as bad.

Bye,

Brad

Ok, dudes and dudettes, I now declare this week the offical....

ANTI-WINBLOZE WALL WEEK

Now, I'm shure yer all think like, gag me with a pitchfork dude! What's that?

Well, man, this means that for, like, the next week, you can not access my ultra-retro site with Winbloze!

Doesn't that, like, totally, like, rock man?

Silky

OBTW,

Whoever said CnC is better than C++ is insanely wrong. C++ gives you FULL power; Hell, you could make an OS with C++...

Stop what?! I swear I didn't post that last message, it's SICK too. I think Silky should ban that person!

-Pug

Caught ya!

Pug, stop it!

hehe, Pug, I wouldn't do that... remember guestlog.html? ;) (It was funny, though.)

msk

YOU ARE ALL LOSER! AOL IS THE BEST! ANYONE WHO DOESN"T LIKE AOL CAN SUCK MY NUTSACK! WE MAKE BETTER GAMES THAT ALL OF YOU.

RIKUS, YOU SUCK, GUY!

I WILL NOT TOLERATE AOL BASHING ANYMORE, GUYS! BYE!

Sincerely,
Swami Brophy, GUY

Hey, KidHype! You were wrong, man! Face it, you SUCK!
I, like, am never wrong.
And STAY ON TOPIC!!! ALL OF YA!

Silky

Christian:Quick Basic is interpeted during run time but compiled the same as C (DOS based C ...not C joke joke) so it runs at the same speed as C and Pascal. I used interpeted BASIC for years and made the jump to QB at the same time i learned pascal and stuck with QB cause i was getting the same compile time (exe) speeds as Pascal. QB is just Pascal for dummies if you ask me :)

If I am wrong...e-mail me..cause I dont want Silky to ban us for being off topic :)

kidhype@fishnet.net

Kid

Pug:Oh my God..you said something that makes sense...I agree with you :)

Christian:You make want to go back to Quick Basic...God forbid i would want to go and use something stable :) I am going to give this 320x200 mode thingy in C&C a shot and if it doesnt do what I hope it does (make things simple but give me the speed of QB) then this might be my last game in C&C, TGF or K&P

Yeah...I am that fed up with buggy software!

Kid

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-Pug
I just wanted to share this great dea with all of you!

Ohhh, another good quote! :D

"The sticker on the side of the box said "Supported Platforms: Windows 95,
Windows NT 4.0, or better", so clearly Linux was a supported platform."

-Pug

Do I have to get into how true codes much more fun again?

And please don't keep it closed the Microsoft's crappy Visual C++.

Damn Microsnot, damn Steve Jobs...

Your local Linux Zealot,
-Pug

"I dual-boot my workstation between Linux and Windows NT.I'm a
Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer, so kind of have to have NT there
- even though I prefer Linux." - Jiva DeVoe

"Actually, extreme GUIs such as Windows are actually more difficult as OSs for people who actually know how to use computers"

OK, a couple of questions to answer here...

To make the car skid, set up a condition that checks:
1. the speed of the car (if > whatever)
2. Player 1 turns left (with the joystick or whatever)

Then for the event, create little black active objects over the wheels (they would have to be set relative to the car), and paste them into the background, do this about 15 times, then destroy them.


Msk, for your blocks thing, what you could do is upon creation of a certain color of block, set its value A to a number, like red=1, yellow=2, blue=3, on and on. Then when they collide with another block, set another value equal to the sum of the numbers of the blocks that are currently touching. You can constantly check that number, and use the mod operator to detect which blocks are currently in sequence.

As for speed... the reason C&C is slower than C++, assembly, and even BASIC is because C&C is scripted. The actual runtime of C&C is written in C++, but the runtime executable reads the CCA file, and has to process it line by line. It has to read a line of code from the CCA, parse it, figure out what it means, and then execute it, probably using a bunch of "if" or "case" statements. Basic is slower than C++ for the same reason, most basic runtimes are scripts. Visual Basic, up to version 5, was a definite script, because you can decompile vb programs and get the original source code.

Anyway, I've rambled on enough, talk to you all later...

- Christian

...

Wow. Welcome back Zack! Someone give him ops in #k&p...

I've coined a few other phrases!! (I'm kind of a Phrase Coiner Laureate, I coin phrases when a big event happens. :-) )

LEB2DH (Like Eggit But Too Damn Hard) , applies to The Extacy.
BDTGIK&PC (Beware Dullards, This Game Includes K&P Clipart) , advance warning to those who are too easily pleased by aesthetics.
HN2MAG (How Not To Make A Game), useful for all you reviewers.
APEIPPJ (A Pointless Exercise In Pixel Perfect Jumping) , happens all the time in Platformers.
and finally, the best of all (trumpet...) :
AGBNG : All Graphics But No Game!!!

you can applaud now (!). :-) Okay, don't all thank me at once..

been to my new page? Please do....

Alex

Here's something for people to think about. How much more powerful would K&P, C&C, TGF, be if you could actually control things from the event editor like pallete and size of the graphics. If that was possible you could easily write a 3d engine with light sources and lighting effects and the works. Maybe not true 3d, but you could do that.

Myston:Its been like that forever. When I first started coding in BASIC back in 1984 I was laughed at by Assembly coders cause BASIC was a beginners language and you cant make squat out of a BASIC program (it feels soooo good now to know that Bill Gates only knows BASIC and very little C)

When I learned Pascal back in 1987, I was laughed at by C coders. To this day I dont know why they laughed at me, they are equal languages as far as speed and complexness...well..ok Pascal is alot more simpler than C but then again C is still tons easier than Assembly

Which brings me to my current point...CNC being laughed at by Visual C++ users. I have yet to encounter that and if you ask me I have always lived by the notion...if you can make an exe out of it..who cares what language it was developed in. I have passed Quick Basic programs off as C programs just cause of the speed. My thing is, if you think you are so much better than someone else just cause you actually code then live in your own world.

I am just out to have fun and play games. I am not in a pissing contest with anyone

Hope that helps :)

Kid

Kidhype...
For some sick twisted reason, that reminds me...

Why in the world would anyone make fun of a CNC user or something because they use C++.. is it because C++ is a CODE and CNC is EASY? It seems to me, they both create some quality games, and if you really put your mind to it, CNC games can be BETTER!

Sooo... I like cats.

Hi,

musicsk:Take a look at my game Cotton (http://www.fishnet.net/~bsmith/graficom.html)and maybe that will help. Its not protected but it does do a check feature to see if a whole row of objects are the same before removing the row. This game was very hard to make and still has unfixable bugs due to the limits of C&C (it was originally dont in TGF...which still has a ton of bugs too as of version 1.03) which brings me to my next question

What in the hell did they fix in 1.04...the high score object still doesnt work...let me know Sprite...thanks :)

K&P vs The rest:The only advantage that K&P has over everyone else that its stable. But even that isnt 100% true. When I made Eat&Run, towards the end of coding, it would crash everytime I made a change to the code..not add to the code. So basically I had to save, make the change, let it crash, restart, make the change, save..you see the loop. The other 2 (TGF and C&C) crash because the logic testing is flawed (logic=doing if condition is true then do this else do something else). You couldnt pay me to go back to K&P due to the fact that you get the same bugs as K&P plus a thousand helpful things (Like groups...the best feature ever...screw scrolling) Yeah you can do MOST of the same things in K&P as you can with the others but why write a program in slow clunky basic when you got C? Plus, creating 100 flags using counters is not my idea of fun.

By the way: In the process of a major overhaul of the Hype Zone. Check it out and tell me what ya think

http://www.fishnet.net/~bsmith

Laters

Kid

Hey everybody!

If u donīt know it Iīm gonna make a car racing game, and I wonder how I can build in a skid-function in it? So the carsīll skid if they have too great speed and turn.

Thanks for the help everyone. But before I came to the wall I already replaced that frame with a better one that doesn't need to have back view objects. It wasn't a frame vital to the game anyway, just part of the intro. This game is acually doing pretty good. I've gotten a lot farther than any of my other games I've attempted.

Thanks

Brad

One more thing: KNP is a more challenging program with ALMOST the same capabilities as CNC. It cost about $150 less. But it takes more time to learn and become good at, like me... :-)

-newmano

Brad: You could have the "bullet" object hidden outside the playing area and when you shoot you simply set the position of it to where you want it to start and start it's movement. When it collides with something stop it and put it back outside the playing area again. That way it you can keep it behind the other objects.

WAIT A MINUTE! IT IS POSSIBLE BRAD!!!! First set an active object with movement bouncing ball. Set its view to back. Then, take away the conditions that say "bounce". Then, when you shoot, set the x and y coord of the object being shot to the x and y coord of the object shooting. Set direction of the object being shot to the direction of the object shooting. It WILL WORK!
-newmano

Hi y'all. I've just got a quick question.

Does anyone know how to make a puzzle game wherein there is a movable pump at one side of the screen, that spits out random colors of 32x32 blocks that hit either the edge of the grid or another block and stop, and finally that checks if two like blocks "sandwich" a whole bunch of other blocks, and if so, destroy all of them? :P In other words, if you spit out the sequence of blocks Blue-Green-Yellow-Blue, all of those would be destroyed.

The only method I can think of is upon collision, spit a certain type of active object to the left (the pump can only rise and fall down one side, not go along the top or bottom) that upon collision with a like object 1) destroys the like object 2) starts going the other way, destroying everything in its path 3) stopping whenever it smacks into the first like object. But for some strange reason, this is one of those things in C&C that should but doesn't work. :P I could send what I have -- if you want to take a gander, e-mail me at musicsk@hotmail.com -- thanks :)

msk

Brad:

Like Brian said, Knp does not include a feature for changing an object's 2 dimensional depth. There is a technique to use to do it if you choose to though. In order to do this you can test for a collision between the two objects (I'll call one of them 'item', and one of them 'something', then create the object 'item' you want in front, on top of itself, then delete it.

So what ends up happening is that the first 'item' will be destroyed (that had the collision), and the 'item' you created on top of it will take its place, but as the top level object.

~Elf

Brad:

No, this is not possible with K&P. When a new object is created (i.e. shot from another object) it is automatically set to the front. This was a very annoying fault in K&P. And everyone was glad when C&C allowed us to change the layer postion of objects at run-time.

Brian Cardarella

Thanx to everybody who gave me info. on getting screen shots. I'll start using the control-printscreen method. Then I'll get snag it! later. Oh yeah, my webpage has been updated. For those of you who haven't been there yet, it's http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Fortress/2643/benspage.html
go there if you haven't yet. If you had trouble linking to my 2 games for download from here, you can get 'em at my page. The links should work.
-Ben-ohki ^_^

Actually I think that the reason the Dragons Tail zip file is about 10 megs is because of the avi files. An eight meg cca file will be about half the size when saved as a stand alone application (the cca in Critters 2 is 7,6 megs and the zip file is 3,5). This is because C&C compress the file when saved as stand alone. However avis are stored externally and I don't think they are compressed. Anyone who have done some more indepth studies of C&C's storing methods who could verify this?

Another interesting fact: How many knows that giving the gameobjects one character names like "a", "3", "x" instead of things like "Active object 12", "Quick backdrop 5" and "little alien with big gun" will make the finished game smaller. It's just a few bytes but it could be usefull to know when making Vitalize applications.

sorry.
i didnt mean to post 3 messages but i got a server error 2 times
i wonder wh i get a server error when i still send the message
hmm weird.

- HCVANG

Hi all the Vang Entertainment Website has been updated once again!
http://users.cybercity.dk/~bcc8267/home.htm
this time i want to know what u think of it?
im very proud of this site so PLEASE! tell me what you think
about it...

- HCVANG

Hi all the Vang Entertainment Website has been updated once again!
http://users.cybercity.dk/~bcc8267/home.htm
this time i want to know what u think of it?
im very proud of this site so PLEASE! tell me what you think
about it...

- HCVANG

Hi all the Vang Entertainment Website has been updated once again!
http://users.cybercity.dk/~bcc8267/home.htm
this time i want to know what u think of it?
im very proud of this site so PLEASE! tell me what you think
about it...

- |HCVANG|

Hello,
Welcome back Zack. Well the problem with Dragons tail is that
some of the fans of the old eggit games hated dragons tail but
most of the fans loved it and people that hated eggit loved dragons tail. Everyone has a differend kind of taste. I like "dt"
more then eggit 1,2 ,gold but thats just my taste. I wanted to make dt differend because there where already so many differend eggit clones. The other problem is that its so big. This is not because of the avi files, but the game itself (the cca file is a big 8 mb)I think this is because of all the voices and backgrounds. Also I noticed that younger players did not like dt because of what the skulls said when you kill them. But I tought that was funny:-)

I am going to start working on "taking over" again today. It will be maybe 1 of the last freeware games of ap in 1998.
(i will be working on locked 7 100% this whole year to finish it)

Good luck with your new eggit game zack. I also have a new idea for a new puzzle game maybe I will make that in the weekends it will be a small game but fun to play.

I hope everyone has a great weekend.
bye,

Rikus

For those who are wondering about the made with Corel C&C logo now that Imsi has C&C here is a quote from Erich at the Imsi support board.

" You should continue to use the Created with Click & Create logo and associated agreement until we have a suitable replacement. You can send the documentation to

IMSI Canada 1111 Prince of Wales Dr., 5th Floor Ottawa, ON K2C 3T2 Canada "

Hey, Rikus!
How did u got the Eggit games at download.com ?

Pug:

David Nicolosi have to leave because of other business plans. He also had 2 other jobs, so he had no more time for C&C.

Zack: Welcome back to Silky's! ;D
Also, DON'T play The Extacy. Even though I made that game, I hate it, unless you want to see an eggit game that has better graphics and is a zillion times harder

Cheesy, quut screaming.

Yea, I do miss Chase...he actually had *class*
And what ever happened to David Nicolosi?

-Pug

HEY GUYS, COULD YOU TELL ME THE OFFICIAL SITE FOR CnC2? I CANT SEEM TO FIND IT

HEY BURGER... I HAD THE SAME "CANT FIND KNP" PROBLEM. WELL, YOU COULD BUY IT FROM EUROPRESS.CO.UK, BUT ITLL COST YOU AROUD 60 BUCKS (I THINK). YOU CAN LOOK FOR IT IN A SEARCH ENGINE, OR BUY IT FROM AN AD AT A MESSAGE BOARD SOMEWHERE ELSE. I LUCKILY FOUND OUT THAT MY FRIEND WAS SELLING CnC FOR AROUND 100 BUCKS, (LUCKY ME!!!)
THE ONLY THING BETTER THAN CnC THAT KnP has, other that price, is that you get the "twiggy" character in the lib files :)

Heh.. with Zack back online, all we need now is Ambrosine, Havoc, Cragmyre, Rikus posting more regularly and Dave Willis releasing a Walkerton game and we'd be back to what we were a year ago, and everyone would be happy.. =)

Oh yeah, we also need Chase hyping a game, Alex coining an EL3DC phrase, a new Eggit game and Virtually Real recruiting complete unknowns who turn out to be geniuses..

Umm.. Yeah.. just showing my age.. :o)

Craig

Hi. This is my first time posting here. I just downloaded the demo of K&P the other day and I have a few questions.
First of all what are the differences between K&K and C&C? This is a stupid question I know but I hope you guys are not like most message boards and take pleasure in taunting me for my hopeless ignorance. :)
Second, how much does the full version cost? I can't seem to find anything about the price for K&K or C&C.
Third, The kind of games I really want to create are role playing games. The only games that I have seen available as shareware and freeware that were made with this program are arcade puzzle platform and a few small fighting games. They were really cool and I enjoyed playing them but RPGs are my thing. Is it possible to make role playing games with this program? There are not enough features on the demo for me to tell.
The last thing I wanted to ask is if it is possible to save a game or access the help feature on the demo. I cannot seem to do this.
Thanks for taking the time to read this and I apologize again for my ignorance.

Hi KNPer's. I bet you are reading this.

Ever since I first heard of KNP in October '97 (was it that month?) I heard of Klik 'N Play. I wanted to get it so I could make my own games, and put them on the Internet. But...

...I tried calling 1-800-33-MAXIS (Warning! Don't call that) to get Klik 'N Play. They said, "It isn't for sale right now. Please call later." Then, I went to the software store and looked for Klik 'N Play. It was not there. TGA Software (consists of me, TGA stands for The Game Arcade) needs your help!!! Please tell me the answer to this question:

Where can I get Klik 'N Play?

I will check back here tomorrow at 10:00 AM.

Thank you,

Danny Burger c/o TGA Software.

P.S. TGA DOES NOT want C&C/TGF due to their expensive prices.

P. P. S. TGA will be a 1-person corperation (consists of me.) Also I will try to put the site on www.tne.net/tga/ (Don't go there yet. I will post here when it is up.)

Wow a k&p legend! Zach Fowler. I would suggest you try the Exctasy, http://www.netline.com/psi , a great Eggit clone. Yes Dragon's Tail stunk. My Opinion. Eggit 2 was the best one. I'm working on a cool Eggit clone that I plan to add some great features to it, it'll be an online game that saves high scores so you can compete against other people.

Brad, put an event
Always, then pick the object being shot and set it has animation bring to back, or use the same thing but put the object that shoots the other object to always stay in front. Kinda hard to explain.

Does anyone know if it's possible in KNP to have an active object shoot and active abject that stays in the "back" view?

Bye,
ßŪåd

Okay, I'll keep this short as possible.

First, yes, I'm back... again. Hopefully this time I'll stay. I won't be very active, but I will try to get on at least once a week to keep you posted on progress of my games.

Second, I see that Dragon's Tail is out. Is this really Eggit 4? Or just a spin-off? I read in Rikus' summary that you could stop bouncing and shoot... this disturbs me, because the main reason I created Eggit was to make a whole new genre of puzzle games. And part of Eggit was that you... well, you were a bouncy egg, not a dinosaur. Bouncy dinosaurs?

But I haven't played the game yet, and so am not quite justified in complaining. And since the game is a whopping 1.8 hour download, it might be a little while before I do play. So please excuse any wrong assumptions I have made. Not that I'm saying the game will be bad. I'm sure it's a great game, and I'll download it as soon as possible. So, please, don't flame me.

Meanwhile, I've started working on an old project and a new project; FPPG (First Person Puzzle Game), and Eggit-X. FPPG will be like Myst, only you pick up things and talk to people. Eggit-X will be like Eggit, but with cool stuff like enemies you bounce on to destroy, ability to bounce low, and others. Ideas would be appreciated, however, graphics and music are not needed.

-Zack

I just saw this on Europress Online!!!
TGF v1.04 patch @ http://www.unipower.co.uk/es/download.nsf/home?readform

Kinda makes me happy that I got TGF instead. =^.^=

KidHype : Yes, buttons and other regular Windows objects like edit-box don't work in full-screen mode. Sucks, doesn't it?

Ben-Ohki...
You could also use a simpler method than snag-it, called Windows. :)
Just hit alt+prnt-scrn and it copies it to the clip board.. Actually, I think snag-it is probable going to work better.. In FACT, as soon as I get HOME, I'm going to d/l it! (I'm at my dad's office again. He's a teacher. Physics.)
yessiree bill.
Soon as I get home.
My uncle's name is larry...oh yeah, gotta make it klik and play related..
I can't wait to ..
..
use Click and Create again..
uhh..
-Mystion
"Soda, Purple stuff, Sunny D!"

Steve, that's what I think.

Hans, nice site, but it load really slow! Good job though.

Or, just use that majic button called...

PRINTSCREEN!!

-Pug

Ben : you need to find a screen capturing program , as "Snag-it" . if you want , i can send you the program that i'm using.
if you want me to e-mail it to you , e-mail me.

Electro.

One quick Question: How do you capture pictures of scenes from your game to turn them into screenshots?

Right on, Zeitgeist.

So many people think that they can make A good game just by putting in some HUGE EXPLOSIONS that explode into a myriad or burning cinders, each anit-aliased and z-buffered, and that's not the way to go.

It's been said that, "The best game is not the one on the screen, its the one that you cause to go on in the player's head."

Kenneth Hughes

Hi,
I just saw the c&c 2 will be released in april. Cool:-)
Why is there no news for tgf 2?

Bye,

Rikus
ps: The ap-zone has been updated with 3 new reviews and much more.

I think the most important quality in a game is it's ability trigger "dispension of disbelief" within the player. That means that the game makes the player forget that he or she is playing a game. I believe that all game designers should keep this in mind as they are developing their games.

A great game keeps it's players hooked by throwing in just the right balance of graphics, sfx, music, special effects, humor, obstacles, and other interesting gimmicks.

http://users.cybercity.dk/~bcc8267/home.htm
http://users.cybercity.dk/~bcc8267/home.htm
http://users.cybercity.dk/~bcc8267/home.htm
http://users.cybercity.dk/~bcc8267/home.htm
i'd really like everyones opinion on this site
i worked hard on it.
:)
- HCVANG

The button objects, top menues and so doesn't work in fullscreen 320*200 mode. I think that's because they are standard Windows objects and Windows wasn't designed for that graphic mode.

Hello,

Raycast v2.0 Engine is finished, included is 3 demos (in CCA format, loadable in CnC/TGF). The first demo could probably be done in Knp too, but I don't have it anymore, so used CnC. The second demo uses the mixer object for 3D sound, so I believe it would be the only one not possible in CnC, if anyone has both TGF/CnC and Knp and would like to convert I would be very happy ;)

You can find it at the Majestic Realm (http://sadwick.simplenet.com/majestic/index.hts) in the new games section, or use this direct link: http://sadwick.simplenet.com/majestic/games/engine.zip, its 273K total for three CCAs, and one text file I believe.

~Elf

The Freeware Source is NOT dead! It is no longer at:

http://xoom.com/freesrc

It is now located at:

http://members.xoom.com/freesrc/

Xoom keeps changing it, sorry about that.

Josh:Thanks....I knew that..what I was trying to say is that the Mouse Button object (the object that makes the pushable buttons) dont work. You can put them on in Level Creator but when you run the game in 320x200 mode..it disappears.

Am I doing something wrong or is that what should happen?

Kid

Spoon. You can only have up to 255 individual objects. But you can have pretty much unlimited amount of objects throughout the whole game. I think. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Going. Be back on the 16-20th of Jan. Seeya's.

....

wow.. weird.. what just happened to my post!?!?

Finally got round to making a page..
http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~carnegie/rchiesoft/rchisoft.htm

Anyone post anything to me before the crash?

I reckon 70's Quake would be a great idea.. Instead of the Ring Of Shadows you could pick up a Mood Ring, and instead of Quad Damage there would be Funky Damage and stuff..

Alex Carnegie

Well... to tell you the truth, I'm not making any game that has a main purpose of sex. See, I recently got CNC and wanted to test it out...so I'm remaking a game for the C64.. like I always do.. called Cock'in. It's about Chickens.. Cockin? CockING.. Cock-a-doodle-doo... you dig now? :)
Well, you are a little rooster dude, and the object is to protect your hubby's eggs from evil enemy ... animals that eat eggs.. Soooo.. in the old version, you were happy little rooster dude, clucking about, and the hen-house is in the middle. You gotta go into the hen house and wait for the sound file to be complete. Everytime it is completed a little heart appears at the top of the screen. The more hearts, the more eggs. Then, when you press a button, you and the hen leave, and the hen goes above the house and lays eggs... If you see a weasel or something, you have to stop your love-making and come on out to peck 'em.

BTW, tommorow maybe youīll get the first pics of Project Rally. Itīll blow u away

Spoon! > Thatīs right. But in fact, what kind of game uses more then 255 active objects? Anyway, do u know C++ so good itīs impressive. I do only write javascript, visual basic and qbasic. Please people check out my javascript-cgi game at http://xavier.y.se/sgames/sas.htm

Anyone who wants my music:

http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/8300/midi.html

http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/8300/midi.html

http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/8300/midi.html

http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/8300/midi.html

give credit please. dont use the KA stuff, even though it rules.

-Newmano

Hello
I'm going to be making a game in C++. I want to use cnc but, I heard you can only have 255 objects. Can't do it with only that. Also I need some on the fly stuff. Well I can fake that but. Not with 255 objects. So what I need to know is. Is that true?(after all i'v never need that much before) Yours in rain nore snow sounding lke a newbie spoon!

Sorry, I gave you the wrong URL before ^_^

*********************************************
Please take a look at this sample: http://www.xavier.y.se/VIKING.GIF
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Sorry, I gave you the wrong URL before ^_^

*********************************************
Please take a look at this sample: http://www.xavier.y.se/VIKING.GIF
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Hey!
If somebody needs a guy who can make cool graphics for a game please email me.

And please take a look at this sample: http://home3.swipnet.se/~w-39426/VIKING.GIF

itīs a horrible viking.

Hi all

i have finally updated my website with a totally new and
hot looking design!
Http://users.cybercity.dk/~bcc8267/home.htm
Plese go check it out and tell me what you think
thats what my email adress is for :)

Happy New Year!
- Hans Christian Vang
Chief Executive Officer
Vang Entertainment.

=)

Actually Kidhype, the mouse buttons DO work in 320*200 mode. You have to make you own object though and set it up has mouse movement. Then in the event editor put when user presses say fire button one (which is the equivelant to the left mouse button) this event happens. Wow I'm actually posting here a lot again. It's pretty fun when theres no flames and you can make stupid comments and people pay attention to them. He, he. AND SILKY. I really praise you for putting up with us. All of us are truely in your debt for providing such a wonderful service. You could shatter are k&p dreams in a second if you dropped this site. Come on now, who else in the k&p world can do that! BOW DOWN TO THE ALL MIGHTY SILKY!!!

Oh, just on the top message. :D

Hey whoa! It automatically adds to it! Neat!

Josh: No, it says right in the K&P, C&C, and TGF manuals: Creating games/applications involving sex will void your liscense to use this software. It doesn't say that exactly, I forgot what it was word for word. :)

Also, why does everyone have that long thing in their name from Silky?

Craig:Thanks for your advice. Whats a good boss size...64x64 or 32x32...the boss wouldnt have to move fast or move at all (maybe have stuff shooting from him instead.

Anyone have any suggestions on this one?

Also, i currently have a 5x86 133mhz with 20megs of ram but i plan on upgrading to a p166 mmx with 32megs of ram and a Diamond Video Card (dont ask which one cause i forgot and the specs are around here somewhere). Am I going to run into the same problems that i have with my old quick basic programs (meaning...will my games run too fast on my new machine when i get it). What can I do to avoid the problem on a fast computer?

I know i am asking alot of dumb questions here but to me the 320x200 mode is like re-learning C&C all over again. I've already found out that the mouse buttons dont work and i get no pre-made cursor in this mode. I want to know the limitations before I start using it. It does, however, have lots of potental

Thanks everyone for their help!

Kid (All this info is for Eat & Run remix by the way) Hype

Sorry, that last post was by me JOSH. I accidently put Chris ;)

Chris I would have to disagree with you. There is no official license for freeware that could be voided. Unless hes releasing it with CNC, which it might void his commercial license. Well anyway I think a sex game would be rather distasteful especially with a name like Cockin'. Come on at least name it titin' :)

try http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/8029/SpcBees.zip for a fast shoot'em up with ************20 Levels************* done in KNP, music by creative labs.
Send comments to Umbra@thevortex.com

Kid,

Well, by far the best sprite size to use is 16 x 16, as it gives you a decent sized character as well as allowing plenty of room for the characters to move. the ITP2 demo is an example of this, and the sprite sizes used in that also work well in a full multidirectional scrolling environment. The maximum for large sprites should be 32 x 32

As far as slowdown, well that depends on your computer. Many people complained that the ITP2 demo ran to quickly on their computer, but as it was made on a 486 I pushed in as much as I could before the speed became too low. I'm doing the full version on a P II 233 MMX and I expect that people with low-level computers aren't gonna be able to play it (I know that it won't work too well on a 486)

Just design the game around your computer, but test it on other speed computers so you have an idea who can play it the way it was designed, and who will miss out..

Thanks,

Craig

Mystion;

Sorry to bust your bubble, but it specifically says that you canot make any games that are sex-related with K&P/C&C/TGF. It would void your liscense.

Somebody asked me a while back, but I never got around to answering... yes, I am using the Windows 98 beta. I can't tell you guys anything about it though, because of the non-disclosure agreement. :)

You can get internet widget at http://www.oamu.com/iw.html. Maybe you can't find the zip file because there IS no zip file... the file is iwsetup.exe. And yes, this version fixes the Win98 problems as well as some missing DLL problems for those of you who don't download enough other programs ;)

Christian "and peace flowed down onto the wall like thick magma, coating it with its pure lovingness and hope, to placidly reign for eternity" Wiehl

Mystion: Send that sexy game to Chase von Dahl. Who knows, maybe he can incorporate it into Jumpgirl 3. ;)

msk

When Silky finally pulls this board down

Where will you post your blame...

Think about it

To all the people who have to insist what we already know

Kid

Sprite:Thanks...that font is perfect and everyone has it so i dont have to create my text in a drawing program and import it.

Since the wall has been wiped here were the questions i was asking (minus the font question)

Whats a good scrolling size (limit) when using 320x200 mode?

How many sprites can be on screen (16x16 sized) before C&C (or TGF) slows down or starts producing errors or crashing?

is 16x16 a good size sprite to use?

Thanks in advance for your help

Kid

Howdly Doo all. Christin, could you please re-post the addy of IW..I have a friend who wants it but I do not know the addy and I d/leted the zip file. thx in advance - JamesM

KidHype : A good font in 320x200 mode is "Small Fonts" .. `cuz it's small ;)

Do any of you peoples know a good way to do better artwork for games?

Cause whenever I make a game, I get bored with it because I get so tired of making it when doing the artwork...

I'm lucky I have some patience to finish some of my games though..

For the confused, Pat set it up so that her message's at the top of the wall.

Methinks she's at the end of her rope.

-Pug

On a different note...

WANTED EMPLOYEES!
ok maybe not employees, but people who want to get their talents compiled into a greater being of a game.

-Music makers: must make all their stiff in .mid format, any styles wellcome.
-Graphic Artists: Need lots of cartton style drawings, not so much rendered stuff, still, everyone's welcome. BMPs ONLY
-person with a free web site: please avoid geocities, I find it a deppressingly crowded place, and I suffer from severe virtual claustrophobia.
-TGFers: good at making stuff with TGF, scrolling and INI are a must.
-SFXers: has a good supplement of home made sounds, and can make stuff on order. Everything in WAV format
-Plot writers: make up lots of stories we'll use the ones we all like, good fictional skills.

Please E-mail me, this group will be highly un-organized, and I will try to get the E-mails I receive around to everyone. when you wrtie to me tell me what you're doing.

DO NOT POST EXPECTING ME TO READ IT AND TAKE ANY ACCOUNT OF IT, UNLESS YOU DO NOT HAVE E-MAIL CAPABILITIES

If I missed anyones' category, E-mail me anyway, and I'll jam you in there.

The website person needs only post a list of everyone and their job, and what they have been called upon to do.

(-| NAXOS |-)

What is that? Silky's adding stuff to the newest message on the wall.. in case you are pondering, this is Mystion.

k, guys..
I NEED a cheap virtual server.
I am willing to pay $30 a month, and require at least 25 megs of space, (true) unlimited data transfer.. not that you can't have any .zip files crap.. I also need it to have unlimited email addresses, at least one FTP server, and... have a one time setup fee of less than $60.
-Thanks peepz- :)

p.s. Forgot to tell you; working on a game called Cock'in that has to do with sex.

Rikus: http://www.netline.com/psi/sf2.zip (Sim-Fish 2) :)

Ok, the war has seemd to have stopped.
Good. :)

Paul, you can't do ice movement just by lowering the deceleration bar. The player could always just change directions instantaneously, which isn't realistic at all on ice. You need to add some extra lines in the event editor to ignore control while the player slows down enough to turn around.

I might start on a game (with KNP, I don't have TGF or C&C) set for release near Christmas 98. I won't tell any details until (if) it gets to around 70% completion, because I hardly ever finish any games.

Bye,

Brad

I think that in responce to Dave Willis' earlier post (this may be looking quite dated, but I don't come on often) I have to pitch in a vote for Gameplay, and SFX. I find that many people have trouble making their own SFX (I may be wrong, but I certainly do), but they add a dimension that is very important. Bad SFX can ruin almost anything, and SFX that don't suit also make messes, It cannot be stressed enough that sound is a vital part of any game. GAMEPLAY: A topic that can be sketchy in its simplest form, gameplay basically means control, but that control can be of many things. Generally try to keep the gameplay easy to access, if a game is fast and needs alot of reflex (like some platforms) make it very simple. If you make a very slow moving games (turn based strategy) you can stuff details in with a vegeance. or if you want an in between action ("Story of Thor" on megadrive) put in a couple in teresting bits, but keep it moving.
A word to keep in mind is FLOWING if it flows then people wont get fed up. that word spells the difference between stuff like Dungeon keeper and This Means War (haven't heard of it? not surprised)

please excuse my use of comercial titles in this post, but I haven't played through many games on this site, and I think that the titles mentioned help make my point

(| NAXOS |)

Probally my favorite aspect of games are:

Music (w/o music, you don't FEEL the game. Ya dig?)
Plot

Well, yeah. Sound and graphics can't make or break a game, just better or worsen the experience.

Well, I can sense the demise of this page coming. We've been told not to flame, talk off topic, et al., but we do not stop. And that's too bad. If everyone had ONE IOTA of respect for everyone else, this would be insured. But, we don't.

Constant "my game is better than yours" and "your game sucks like yesterday's trash" attitudes not only degrade others, but degrades the entire Knp community as a whole. It's really sad that you can find the word "flame" in a dictionary. Why?

"Virtual Racism" thrives here. You'd think when you put a visual barrier between people that they would play nice and not judge based on some little thing, but WE always find a way. So what if someone uses s certain server? Does it make them stupid and conformist?

I am not pointing any fingers, nor am I trying to repremand anyone, because that would be hypocritical. I'm merely bringing to light some of the issues that need to be dealt with if expect to see this magnicent page any longer.

Enoguh from me.

These are my favorite aspects to a game: Music(where would games be without it? Endless boop boop boop boop... old technology), Humor(entertains the player, gameplay(without it, you've probably wasted your time) and plot(critical for RPGs and other plot based games.). That's about it.^_^
Ben-ohki

The whoole KnP theme is now complete.

Dl it at:

www.geocities.com/timessquare/8683/knptheme.zip

It's quite cool actually

- santa

Humor. Now that's an aspect of gaming I like that I forgot to mention. Heh heh.

I agree with the discussion on character size. A character isn't fun if it's too small, or if it's too big either. If it's too small, there's a real sense of distance between the player and the character, and the immersement into the game is less. If it's too big, not only can the player not see where the heck he/she's going, but the game can get uncomfortably choking.

The rules for character size on K&P and TGF/C&C differ, from my experience. In K&P, your character has to be relatively small so that you can fit an entire level on a single screen width. In TGF, you can make the character much bigger, but don't overdo it. ;)

A good example of both extremes can be Roo 1 and GTS3. In Roo 1, Roo was quite dinky in size. But because of this, the levels had the potential to be pretty complex, if a little distanced from the player. GTS3's beta has a great large animated Gordon to hop around in. Unfortunately, he hogged a good deal of the viewable play area, making it difficult to play. Yet the levels had more potential due to the ability to scroll, which was utilized in the level design well.

In Walkerton 4, I've made Walkerton's sprite roughly 45 pixels high, so when the full-screen mode is on, he's hopefully a comfortable size. Another thing to note is the proportions of the character's body parts. If he's extremely short and pudgy with a gigantic head, you'll want to make him smaller than if he's "realistically" proportioned. This is because if he's short and dumpy like a child, the objects will want to be bigger in relative size to him than the adultish character. If the level objects are too big, there's less room on the viewable screen for platforms and such, bringing us back to that comfortability thing.

Well, I've rambled on long enough, and I'll stop now, I guess. All the above isn't to be taken as Gospel, only what I've personally experienced. :)

--David Willis

Hello,
I am glad silkys cleaned the wall.
What was the link for simfish?

bye,

Rikus

I don't know if this is realy KnP related but here it comes:


I've made some cursors that are KnP related. Kinda like a Plus! theme. There is no whole theme yet, but mayby later today or tomorow I'l think I should have the whole theme complete.

You can find them on:

http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/8683/ choose 'Archive'

OR

http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/8683/knpcurs.zip if you lazy

only 4 kb

End of Message

- Santa

I think that constant flamers shouldn't be allowed, and If silky's web page detects thier computers login number they get booted off.

Okay, now, everyone thank Silky for wiping the wall...

next on the agenda - washing our mouths out with soap...

Anyway, just wanted to update ya'll on the progress of The Outer Region - it's approaching graphics completion - meaning coding can start soon!

-Philip Kelley w/ Par Software

SILKYS TEXT ENDS HERE!!!

(I think there is an error, and Silkys text gets caught up in the newest letter!!!)

(The "who cares?" bit below is not referring to Silky!!!! I just said it because, if my country, E-Mail, etc. is in anyones interest, than they can just ask...)

-- Gazoo

It seems the lower (unpleasant) part of the wall has been reseted.

I searching for Owen Deakin. Anyone know his alias?

So long.

Well, Dave, because my mind has been taken over by nutty thoughts,I'd say humor.But because I'm now taking a look back at my previous attempts at games(there is like,13 of em) I say gameplay.A long time ago,I was making a game in knp.4 problems with the gameplay:

1. You controlled 2 guys the size of a quarter of the screen.
2. It didn't scroll.
3. You got caught in platforms.
4. The movement wasn't realistic.

Those all made me give up.Never make a game that has the above 4 planned for it,cuz boy,if you ever release it,you're in a world of trouble with gameplay like that.Here's some tips for improving your game's gameplay if it is a platformer:

1. If your guy shoots,keep his gun raised all the time in all the animations.Shooting animations give's your shooting capabilities hell.I'm serious, anims get stuck like that all the time if you give your guy shooting anims.To see what I'm talking about,play a Walkerton game.Walkie's shooting anim gets stuck every time!
2. Try and make your character no larger than 45 X 55. A small character is a good character.Atom Boy is the perfect size for a platform game.You can tell if you have a big guy if he's 60 X 60
or more.Trust me,this causes problems.
3. If you have platform movement: Set the deceleration bar to Maximum.It's best to have a character who stops immediately.You don't want no slidin' characters.Which brings up an interesting idea.....
4. If you want your character to slide as if on ice , You can do this easily.Bring the slider down to the half point of the deceleration bar.Make sure the acceleration is just a tad more than the deceleration level.Now if the player accidentally gained too much speed, he'll just be slip-sliding away!You can always change the expected slide distance by fooling around by increasing the acceleration,and decreasing the deceleration.Or vice versa.
5. Have lotsa effective powerups for the player to find.Increases playability.

Well hopefully my tips will help you.Bye!

-Paul "Pablo" Howerton

OK... keeping stuff on topic... Forgetting the past... Not posting a lengthy off-topic apology...

In response to Dave Willis' question a while back.

My favourite part of game making is the humour. Humour is the best gimmick for a game I reckon. It's right up there with 3D graphics and 80's style gameplay. And also the music. I'm only into that because I write it therefore I notice other people's compositions or choice of public domain stuff...

newman

Sorry about anything, btw.